See the number of "bans" on the Tenkar's Tavern Discord server? Nearly 1k are bans of spambots. Just a handful are "for cause". See that Dyson was banned? Why was Dyson Logos banned? For private messaging EVERY Designer & Maker that was on the Tenkar's Tavern Discord Server at that time. There were 41 or 42. Dyson was upset that Alex Macris was a Designer & Maker and had his own channel on the server.
I was hammered with complaints from those he messaged. They felt they were being harassed, and I agreed. (BTW, PMs are more personal than emails - these weren't emails) So, in response, I banned Dyson Logos from the Discord Server. It should be noted that Dyson had previously blocked me on Facebook after leaving me a really nasty PM (nearly a year prior). He sent his message and then he blocked me, so I couldn't respond. I'm not sure if that's how he handles every disagreement, but what I can tell is that he believes in some revisionist history. Heck, I'm still surprised that he participated in a few weekly chats after flaming out on me on Facebook.
See, here's the latest from Dyson Drama himself (BTW, the harassing and banning are over a year ago now). No idea why this is coming up now, a year later, but I'm guessing he is looking to rile up his circle to light some torches in August.
Let me address a few things I haven't addressed above. As far as I know, I've never referred to Dyson as a "known harasser". I name him when I talk about him and I certainly have referred to him as a harasser. I also haven't talked about Dyson in a long time so this is a bit out of left field. But hey, I've mentioned you now. I know it is what you want, to try and stay relevant you need to be talked about.
Yes, I've mentioned the "cattle drive" of 100 plus prostitutes in the late 90s in Hunts Point on the weekly chat in the past, but that is not why Dyson left the Discord Server. He was banned, by me, for the harassing of server members. He did not leave of his own choice month later, he'd already been banned.
Truth is damning at times.
Why do you think this hobby inspires so much drama?
ReplyDeleteI think Dyson is trying to remain relevant in the OSR after removing himself from it in a fit along with others. To do so, you need to control the narrative, even if it is full of mistruths and lies.
DeleteIn this particular case maybe so. (I make sure not to hold politics against anyone. The hobby is small enough as it is.)
DeleteBut in general there seems to be such unnecessary drama. Golly why can’t we roll dice and talk like elfs?
On what planet is Dyson Logos not "relevant in the OSR?"
DeleteBizarro-world and in Tenkar's mind...
You're literally doing the exact same thing you're accusing Dyson of doing, Tenkar: trying to control the narrative and asking us to take your word over his.
You consistently use your bully pulpit to position your opinions as "truths," shit talking and generally stirring the drama pot - which is fine! The reason you have followers is because you have strong opinions - cool! But to not acknowledge or recogonize that it's the same thing as what others are doing is hypocritical.
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Dyson himself said he wasn’t OSR. That’s what I was referring to.
DeleteThis incident isn’t about opinions. It’s about truths, which is why I document and screenshot often.
Again, I fuck up enough as it is that there is no reason to make libelous claims about me.
It is not the hobby that inspires drama, it is a few of the people in it - like every other area of life. In the Marines, we referred to it as "the 10%" - those sorry-ass punks who somehow managed to avoid being weeded out in boot camp, ruining things for everyone else just going about their daily routine. In my not-so-humble opinion, the more the "money" and "names" in the industry cater to SJWs, the more drama you will get.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, and the need for attention fuels the drama.
DeleteAs an aside, Dyson deleted the original thread because of “snitches”.
Interesting that when he thought he could attack me without my knowing, all was good.
This makes sense.
DeleteI'm here to read gaming content. I don't even see why this needs to be shared or discussed. Take a step back and get your ego in check folks.
ReplyDeleteBruce, I defend myself against attacks and lies as I see fit to do so. The simple fact that Dyson deleted the original thread shows my response was warranted. I am sorry I was put in a position where I had to do so, but if I failed to challenge such lies they would have become “the new truth”.
DeleteThe fact that you care so much about what people think of you says about you speaks a lot about your ego. Please take a step back from this petty unimportant bullshit and stick to what you do best.
DeleteThere’s nothing wrong with defending oneself. This doubly true if the attacks are false, which these seem to be. Don’t let people step on you.
DeleteI care when people lie about me. Lies unchallenged often become truths in the public eye. I have a platform to challenge those lies when they are made against me. I use that platform. I won't turn the other cheek when I'm intentionally libeled for the gain of others.
DeleteThis isn't "Tenkar is an asshole". This is Dyson making himself a martyr and Tenkar is the BBEG, with a false narrative. Shit, if he had said "Tenkar banned me for PMing over 40 members of Tenkar's Discord because I asked them all if they wanted to be associated with a server that would give channels to the likes of Macris and Venger"" I wouldnt have said a peep. Its the simple truth and he would probably still be considered a martyr in his circles. I wouldnt look evil then though, and that might be the issue.
I fuck up enough that folks can probably say some fairly unkind things about me that are truthful. That is what it is. I won't dispute that.
You may consider this response a fuck up. Maybe it is. Time will tell
lol Derangement Syndrome is running wild with those people. Dyson should just try to remain neutral and stay out of things. Just do what he does best, provide quality content. But nope!
ReplyDelete"Shut up and get in line, Dyson!"
DeleteMan, you people...
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How about don’t slander and lie about folks you don’t like? I’d settle for that.
DeleteThis is just too bad. I used to purchase Dyson's maps on a regular basis because I loved them and they were exactly what I needed.
ReplyDeleteBut he couldn't leave it at that. Dyson is a totalitarian at heart. Everything must get political. There is no room for the apolitical in his world. I knew of his politics and didn't care. But then he had to make noise and start crap about someone else's.
I used to support Dyson’s Patreon. But then everything became “this”.
DeleteYou didn’t just support his Patreon Erik. You gave him frequent free advertising here: that’s how I learned about his maps.
DeleteI'd like to see this private message that he sent out to people, what did it say exactly?
DeleteJosh, I am away from home until Sunday night and don't have access to the saved folders on my HD (and this laptop doesnt have a large enough HD for my Dropbox). I'll see what I can dig up when i get home.
DeleteI'm glad I'm not the only one.
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Lol. I was just about to send this to you.
DeleteYou know, I think I like Dyson's maps more than I like your endless fucking grandstanding. Adios.
ReplyDeleteSo, Dyson outright lies about me - and deletes the thread in question after I posted about it - and I'm the one grandstanding?
DeleteIf Dyson had simply posted - hey, apparently I'm a "known harasser" because I PMed 40 publishers on Tenkar's Discord Server over a year ago and asked them if they wanted to be associated on the same server as the likes of Alex Macris and Venger, I wouldnt have said a peep, because that in a nutshell is the simple truth. But no, he made up a story to make the Tenkar the Boogie Man. A story he deleted once I confronted his with this very post.
Are you saying that when I am lied about - to the point that it is probably actionable libel, I should sit back and take it? Would you prefer I take him to court? As Zak S has shown us, the bar for libel in Canada is fairly low.
Tenkar, what you're calling "harassment" here is literally not harassment.
DeleteIt's just your opinion of what you believe harassing is - because it fits YOUR narrative.
You're framing this in a way that Dyson is the "bad guy" and you're the "good guy" - which is EXACTLY what you're accusing him of doing.
Essentially, a difference of opinion (in a moral/political context within the RPG community) has devolved to drama.
Also, you accuse SJWs of "though policing" and "virtue signaling" all the time. You are literally doing exactly that here. By dictating that Dyson's behaviors/actions are "harassment" you have declared yourself the Though Police - judge, jury & executioner, via your bully pulpit - and grandstanding your moral position by signaling your "virtue" to your tribe.
At least Dyson makes amazing quality maps in abundant quantity for both the OSR and for 5e.
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I call it harassment because:
Delete1 - the recipients called it harassment
2 - Dyson used his post to title himself as a “known harasser”, something I’ve never called him
I don’t dispute the quantity of his maps. I do dispute the truthfulness of his original post.
If I were truly the thought police I wouldn’t have approved your posts.
Alright, afk for a bit. Away for the weekend. Duty calls.
As an aside, I would have preferred to address this at the source - Dyson’s thread on FB - but he has me blocked, thus this post.
ReplyDeleteI'd ask for Venger's and Macris' opinion on this before essentially repeating Dyson's attacks on them by revealing the original messages.
ReplyDeleteAs Dyson reached out to me directly and we are attempting an amicable resolution I’m closing this to further commenting.
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